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'On Becoming a Woman' - A FAQ
*blinks* Ah. Wow. The post containing scans from this wondrous tome has, as of now, more than 300 comments on it, most of them containing amazement, disgust, or just vaguely stunned babbling. I'm sure old Harold would be appalled :-).

This post is an attempt to answer some of the questions that have come up. It's not really a FAQ list as such. Some of these questions have in fact only been asked once, or in one case, haven't even been asked, and they are therefore 'frequently asked questions' only in the same way the On Becoming a Woman is a serious feminist text, i.e., not at all.

I'm writing this post because, although I have read every single comment, I fear attempting to reply to every single comment would give me some kind of exotic strain of RSI. Which is cool, I hasten to say. I've never had a popular post before. *is proud*



I just arrived here. Where are all these scans, anyway?
This post has the original scans. This post has the chapter on homosexuality. This post has more horrifying snippets.

Who was the author?
Harold Shryock, M.A, M,D. He was a doctor and a devout Seventh Day Adventist and was apparently fond of writing scary 'welcome to puberty' books. Yes, there is an On Becoming a Man. Anyway, he died last year at the grand old age of 97 or 98 (depending on sources), so he's dead, but certainly not long dead.

Also he was, in his later life, part of something called the "College of Medical Evangelists", which I'm sure you'll all agree sounds very frightening indeed.

Did he seriously mean all this crap?
Yup, seems so. Whatta guy.

So that's really what people thought in the fifties?
Well, not really. I mean, kinda. Thing is, you do have to remember that this guy was very religious and conservative, even for this time period. That's not to say that the whole "you woman stay at home, me man go hunt for food and high paying executive job" attitude wasn't prevalent then, but genital mutilation wasn't what most people would recommend as a cure-all for masturbation. I suspect most people would just tell you to stop touching your genitals, in fact. Alternatively, and more probably, they'd just stick their fingers in their ears and pretend the whole thing didn't exist. Much like married couples on TV slept happily in separate beds in the fifties, sex not having been invented in TV land.

Okay, I want this thing now. What are the publishing details?
That's an interesting question. I can give you the details of my copy, but I don't know how much it'll help, because from what I can discern, the book came out in multiple editions. Yep, it was that popular. The copy I have was published in Australia by the Signs Publishing Company and I have reason to believe that it was an edition specially made for Australia, mostly because there are times throughout the book where is says things like 'as a teenager in Australia, you'll know...' followed by something implausible and vaguely horrifying. There's no copyright date on my edition, meaning that I had to surf the internet to find out the publishing year.

Putting things together, it seems the original edition was published in 1951, and then other editions were retooled and published periodically some years after that. Several people in the comments have mentioned that they've seen editions published in the late sixties, which is sad because you'd rather think they'd know better by then.

So how might I go about getting a copy?
There are apparently copies available from several out-of-print booksellers on the web. Scanning through the comments, here're a few people have found:

http://dogbert.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?y=0&kn=%22Harold+Shryock%22&x=0

http://www.biblio.com/books/35172122.html

http://www.biblio.com/books/11276289.html

http://www.alibris.com/search/search.cfm?qwork=4832780&qsort=r

Would you sell me yours?
'Fraid not. I want to keep it, both for amusement value and because I'm a teacher, and some of the less explicit extracts will make some very good class discussion material.

Did Harold actually have any daughters of his own?
He had one daughter and one son. They had 10 grandkids between them, which would seem to indicate that the daughter did her 'womanly duty' well. *sigh*

Are your sarcastic comments meant to imply that you look down on women who are housewives?
What? God no! I have every respect for women who choose to be housewives and run families. It's one hell of a job, and involves multitasking to the max. The important word here is 'choose'; I firmly believe that both men and woman should be free to choose their own role in life. Sadly Harold wasn't big on giving woman choice in the matter, and he implies left right and centre that women should defer to their man once they're married. That's what ticks me off.

This is funny/horrifying/spasm inducing. Can I link to it?
Go nuts. The more the merrier. Feel free to link to personal journals or communities, I don't mind a bit. One request though: I would like to know if you're going to link to it. Just for my own curiosity.

Can I make icons?
Why not :-).

So what else is in your journal? Any reason I'd want to hang around?
This journal generally contains:
* Links to amusing/worthy of note sites on the internet.
* Scans of interesting things, usually comic based.
* Rants on fannish things.
* Fanfic, usually about relatively obscure characters, and usually using an eclectic blend of horrifyingly serious events and the same type of humour you see in this document. Someone compared one of my stories to Terry Pratchett once. I was very proud and egotistical until a friend of mine pointed out that Terry Pratchett probably didn't split his infinitives with quite so much regularity, and also he writes published novels, and I have not. Damn.

Can I friend you?
I'd be flattered :-). Go ahead!

Scan some more! Go on.
Wait, that's not a question! Oh, okay. Y'know, I was all ready to say that I'd already scanned in the most interesting and appalling bits of this text (it's about 200 pages long, btw), and then I read it again and... yeesh. I'll have another page done by tomorrow, okay?

*bows* And this is all. Unless anyone else has a question, in which case it's not :-).




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[info]niennah
2005-05-21 12:51 pm UTC (link)
Someone compared one of my stories to Terry Pratchett once.

Was that me? I definitely compared someone to Terry Pratchett once and now that you mention it, it could have been you. It was you or one other person.

I really have to read more of this that you scanned. I find it very amusing that you could only use the 'less explicit' parts in class. Good grief.

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[info]blinkytreefrog
2005-05-21 01:15 pm UTC (link)
*looks* Hey, it was! *feels guilty for not bloody getting on with the story in question*

I swear, Harold is really big on the detail. Some of the book is truly just tmi.

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(no subject) - [info]airawyn, 2005-05-21 03:50 pm UTC

[info]djcati
2005-05-21 01:03 pm UTC (link)
My god, this whole thing is horrifying and brilliant. I may feel the need to link, especially to the "so there IS such a thing as homosexuality!" chapter. o_o;

You rock for scanning it. <3 I look forward to more... o_O (here from [info]metaquotes, btw)

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[info]blinkytreefrog
2005-05-21 01:15 pm UTC (link)
Thanks :-). And yes, so very yes.

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[info]popesnarky
2005-05-21 01:44 pm UTC (link)
Hail Eris!

One request though: I would like to know if you're going to link to it. Just for my own curiosity.

OK, I linked it, too. And posted it to my Discordian cabal on Yahoo Groups. And then forwarded it to someone who is likely about to forward it to everyone she knows...

Snarky

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[info]blinkytreefrog
2005-05-21 01:52 pm UTC (link)
So you're the reason! :-)

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(no subject) - [info]popesnarky, 2005-05-21 02:44 pm UTC

[info]masteralida
2005-05-21 03:51 pm UTC (link)
Can I friend you?
I'd be flattered :-). Go ahead!


Yay :)

Friending you - the silliness that was Ultra-Conservative Christianity in the 50s was enough ;) (of course, I know people who STILL think like that, so....)

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[info]trekkiegrrrl
2005-05-21 03:59 pm UTC (link)
I just wanted to tell you that I've linked the Homosexuality Chapter to a forum I belong to (http://www.raunchyminds.com - an erotic 3D graphic forum)

And I've friended you too :O)

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[info]sevenhelz
2005-05-21 05:28 pm UTC (link)
just to say, i'm linking the first post :)
xx

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[info]tallest_spork
2005-05-21 06:18 pm UTC (link)
this is great. thanks for posting it, it was a great laugh.

I think I'm gonna go hunt up some of my local used bookstores, see if I can find anything along these lines...

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[info]flashes_of_sky
2005-05-22 03:09 am UTC (link)
I'm going to link the three posts (sex and masturbation, homosexuality and the FAQ)

Plus I going on a book hunt for it (and others like it)

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[info]wrathchild
2005-05-22 06:38 am UTC (link)
"I was very proud and egotistical until a friend of mine pointed out that Terry Pratchett probably didn't split his infinitives with quite so much regularity."

That'll learn ya ;).

W

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[info]angelfirenze
2005-05-22 07:32 am UTC (link)
I was laughing so hard when I read this, but I couldn't laugh out loud because my sister is asleep on the couch mere yards away. Regardless, my thoughts on the matter: This has got to be the biggest load of crap I've ever read. I friended you and put both the post and this FAQ in my memories so that I can come back to it whenever I want to marvel at this example of complete lack of insight. Thanks for giving me a laughter induced buzz. Livejournal, another reason I never have to drink to feel drunk. Best of all, no head-shattering hangover later on. Cheers!

P.S.: I noticed how he emphasized going to a CHRISTIAN doctor and having this female genetalia mutilization done. I suppose a Jewish or Indian doctor, or a Pagan doctor, or an atheist doctor would just be out of the question should you ever consider having your clitoris removed. Why? Are doctors of other religions less skilled, or just more sane? I'm a Christian, and I can't imagine any real doctor doing this. And it wouldn't be a doctor, anyway, but a surgeon. At least be accurate when you're writing trash like this.

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[info]angelfirenze
2005-05-22 07:34 am UTC (link)
Ugh, mutilation. Me English real good. You see? This drivel is destroying my comprehension of my own language.

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(no subject) - [info]barenaked_elle, 2005-05-23 03:01 pm UTC

[info]wwc_otherguy
2005-05-22 01:32 pm UTC (link)
Since you said yes, I'm friending you. Will have a look around once I don't have any more exams.

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[info]dgcatanisiri
2005-05-22 05:21 pm UTC (link)
You can consider yourself friend-ed to me, too.

I linked to the homosexuality one.

What was this guy smoking?

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[info]madsdog
2005-05-23 12:19 am UTC (link)
One request though: I would like to know if you're going to link to it. Just for my own curiosity.

Yeah, so, I knew some of my RL friends would be pretty interested/amused/disgusted by this, so have put up a link on my journal.

Honestly, my reactions? Just "wha-huh?" mainly. Thanks for scanning and putting up.

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[info]vintage_moon
2005-05-23 03:47 am UTC (link)
i'm linking to this as well...i have to say i look forward to sharing it with my "special friend" who will probably laugh his atheistic liberal ass off when he reads it. thanks so much for this hilarious (and simultaneously terrifying) post!

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(Anonymous)
2005-05-23 06:13 pm UTC (link)
I linked to it on my blogspot account (crazycatwoman.blogpsot.com).

What an absolutely wonderful book! I really enjoyed reading your posts. Thanks for sharing.

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[info]schizospider
2005-05-24 02:52 pm UTC (link)
I will be posting a link to this in my journal.

Scariest things:
1 - Despite how backwards it is, I think we're starting to see what may become a trend back to this way of thinking (not the genital mutilation as a cure for masturbation, but a lot of the rest of it)(and I'm sure the mutilation wouldn't be too far behind the rest of it.)
2 - You can kinda figure out why he'd think that way in the first place, if you really dig backwards into his line of thinking. He takes what might be viewed as rational, say that motherhood can be very fulfilling, and twists it to be the only thing to which a woman should aspire. And childbirth ain't all that bad, it's painful, yeah, but as soon as you release that poor, unfortunate child from your despotic POW camp of a womb through a series of traumatizing contractions, you'll feel the warm glow of knowing that your sole duty in life--to be a walking incubator--has been fulfilled, and unless you pop some more of these suckers out your husband has every right not to love you any more. I'm pretty sure I made up half of that last bit, but I'd wager that's somewhere on some of these not-scanned pages.

Talk about misinformation, I think he repeated about half a million lies that went around in 6th grade before everyone grew up and realized that none of them were true...

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[info]freshgroundfemm
2005-05-24 03:05 pm UTC (link)
Just to let you know, I'm linking this in my journal. Thanks!

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Hi
[info]cold_poet
2005-05-24 09:35 pm UTC (link)
I found you through Cesperanza....and I linked you to my lj...and I think I'm gonna friend you too if that's okay.

Cause this...this is just awesome. I have a couple books like this...though not quite so bad. LOL

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Hubby's Reaction
[info]theoldcatlady
2005-05-25 11:23 pm UTC (link)
My husband laughed so much he peed himself!

Seriously though, what a riot! I have a book like this here called What a Young Man Ought to Know. I'll need to dig it up to find when exactly it was published...I'm thinking late 1800s/early 1900s. It's pretty insane too.

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[info]bellzooks
2005-05-28 02:17 am UTC (link)
hi! :-)

i posted a link at a board i post at, The Essence of Amber... (it's a fan board for the actress Amber Benson, just so you know lol). anyway, you said that you'd like to know if there were links so... ta dah! this is the address of the thread... i'd link it for you, but i suck at all things LJ, lol :-)
<http://p090.ezboard.com/famberbensonfrm4.showmessage?topicid=2643.topic>

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[info]blinkytreefrog
2005-05-29 08:44 am UTC (link)
Kewl. I liked people's comments on it there :-).

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[info]cathuk
2005-06-01 10:04 am UTC (link)
Just to say I'm going to link to this from my LJ :)

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Oh yes, I must link!
[info]ctrlfreak
2005-06-01 10:03 pm UTC (link)

Got here from the Lush International Forums (http://www.lush.co.uk) and now going to share this gem with all the folks on Mono (http://www.mono.org).

Well, that's after I push my eyes back into my head.

Ta muchly!

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[info]zweelum
2005-06-12 04:56 am UTC (link)
*raises hand* Felt the urge to link to this in my LJ, if only so that my three loyal readers could share with me the pleasure of choking on tea/soda/water/kool-aid/tang.

*scuttles off*

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[info]incroyable
2005-06-16 02:44 am UTC (link)
I am going to link to all these posts soon in my journal. Thank you. Eef.
:)

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[info]maharetr
2005-06-16 05:22 pm UTC (link)
Hi, I stumbled here from a long, rambling route that I think started with [info]ginmar. I've linked to this here. :)

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